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Hi... Im a descendant on the Francis side and want to thank you for all the information. It was a pleasure to read all about my fathers maternal grandfather, Norman Henry Francis, his family and history, none of which I knew other than he was born in Brisbane QLD. My parents (James and Pearlie) even get their names mentioned as descendants of Fanny Todova Francis and her first husband John David Sutherland. It was interestig also to read of the error recorded as to John and Fannys place of marriage which was indeed Seva (the Sutherland Estate or Plantation which can be glimpsed here...http://www.sevafiji.com/#go_page_0) and not Suva (the big city on the main island of Fiji!)

I hope to add a few relevant photos but mostly it is I who have collected the images from here and thankyou for opening up a whole world of interesting facts

Kirsty Hayward(nee Sutherland)

Kooralbyn QLD Australia

Susan Clutton

Any chance anyone out there might be able to direct me to the source of Susan Cluttons death date within the Garrard tree?

 

Within the Garrard Family Tree on this site I see reference to an Elizabeth Garrard 1762 marrying a Jonathan Clutton 1751 and having many children including a Susan Clutton.

Susan is listed as being born in 1791 and dying in 1826

Now I have other sources which list Susan as dying in 1850

http://familytreemaker.genealogy.com/users/c/l/u/Daniel-W-Clutton-GA/TREE/index.html

I wonder if anyone on this site could direct me towards where the death date on this site might have come from?

Reason this is so important to me is that Susans husband Samuel Winter remarried

And my great great grandmother was Samuels child born in 1829

So if indeed Susan did die back in 1826 it would seem that might mean I am descended from Samuels second marriage and that break a very largeline out of personal famiy tree

Any chance anyone out there might be able to direct me to the source of Susan Cluttons death date?

 

Comment on the subject of your nanny's letters.

Comment on the subject of your nanny's letters.
(Benhall Suffolk : Letters from Emma Sophia Aslett  http://www.asletts.com/node/489)

What a fascinating piece of history they are, very much like a diary as she commented on events that were taking place at the time. In particular I noted the comments about "Joyce's sweetheart"
I am referring here to her letter dated 30-3-32 in which she mentions Joyce's illness and a trip to Gt Yarmouth.
Start at the second paragraph about improvements that have taken place. This bit caught my eye.
She mentions the installation of tennis courts, rock gardens, lakes etc, all built on what was sand.
Uniquely, this development of the North Drive was carried out by unemployed folk (probably never happened before or since, but a good idea nevertheless. This predated the welfare state which came in in 1948. Before then if you were unemployed or too ill to work, you had to sell your possessions before receiving any public assistance. The alternative was admission to the Workhouse under the Poor Law acts of Parliament. Not the best of times.)
That area has changed very little since 1932 and your nanny would recognise it today. The lakes and rock gardens were known as the "Venetian Waterways" and more lately as simply "The Waterways". Gt Yarmouth seafront is split into two - the South Drive and the North Drive. The South is the glitzy, garish bit where all the amusement arcades, fun parks etc are. The North Drive remains quiet and unspoilt with a few hotels and pleasant private houses.
I have sent a photo of a map of this area for you to study. Your nanny mentions Britain Pier (The Britannia Pier) and you will find this at the bottom on the left. It has suffered a few fires since 1932 but is still there although the sand on the beach has increased to the point where very little of it is over the sea, even at high tide. (I frequently fished from there in my youth.)
Continue northwards past the tennis courts and you will come to Waterways. Then a boating lake. The "turning to Percy's " would have been opposite here ie the route to Caister. Just along that road you will see "Boys Grammar School" and that is where Alan Hillyer was a master.
Gt Yarmouth is a seasonal town and the seafront areas are  in use only from June to Septemeber at the very most although most activity is confined to school holidays late July to early September, not much more than 6 weeks. Thus this area has little to offer by way of employment and stands idle for most of the year. For donkey's years, generations of Yarmouthians did only seasonal work as there was little else available.
 
The Waterways was intended to give rides to holidaymakers in boats that were highly illuminated. I can remember in my youth there were (apart from the flowers and gardens) beautiful fluorescent lamps in the shape of animals, illuminated after dusk. I only had a trip there once, when my own children were young.
As the years rolled by, and respect for the belongings of others deteriorated, the Waterways suffered dreadfully at the hands of vandals and this continues to this day.
Commercially it was never a success and it is a good few years since boats were last seen there. The illuminations disappeared long ago although the gardens are maintained by council contractors. It makes a lovely walk but only a week or two ago a writer the the Yarmouth Mercury lamented the fact that some of the bridges had been dismantled thus preventing access to some of the gardens.
I took a few photos for you to look at and this will give you and idea of what the place looks like. I could not get it all in but it extends as far as the eye can see. You will have to imagine what it looked like in its heyday.  ( See photos ot The Waterways in Members Pix Gallery)
The boating lake at the far end is still used and last summer we took granddaughter Amy for a ride in a rowing boat. It was very quiet and we were the only users. The owner complained about the amount of damage that is done to his property. Yobs break in at night (it is rather isolated here) and damage his boats etc.
Is this vandalism/graffiti an english pastime? It seems unstoppable. If miscreants are caught their deeds are treated as minor ones and they are let off with a slap on the wrist.
 
Nanny also mentioned the new bridge across the river opened by the Prince of Wales in 1931. This is of course the Haven Bridge which is still going strong (as you know, you crossed it a few times I imagine). Amazing that it was built with four lanes all those years ago!
My mum (who lived in nearby Cobholm) was there during the ceremony.
At Xmas, daughter Georgina bought me a DVD of old Yarmouth and there is a lot of film there taken during the opening. Wonderful stuff!
A second bridge was built upstream in the 80s (but only two lanes would you believe - you crossed that one as well) but because of the increasing traffic jams attempts are being made to have a third constructed. Shortage of funds is not helping!
 
Just to update you on "modern Yarmouth" an outer harbour has just been created near the harbour's mouth and this will be used for container traffic. It's an amazing piece of work and we followed its construction closely.
Some say it is a white elephant, a dead duck. It will never compete with the massive container terminal at Felixtowe (which has excellent road and rail links with the rest of the UK - Yarmouth has nothing!)
We shall see but it is not fully operational yet.
There have been a lot of rows in the Mercury as a lot of public money went into this venture which is owned by a private company - the Port of Singapore Authority - PSA. The way big business is run nowadays it is impossible to say who owns what!
Thousands of jobs for local folk were promised with this venture but the first thing Eastport did was to sack the residend dock workers! The second thing was to close Gorleston Pier to cars. The third thing was to block off the road around the harbour's mouth which had been a very popular route for locals. Not any more!
Will it work?  What about the lorry traffic this will generate? No doubt it will add to the existing chaos.
 There was a direct railway line along the quay to the harbour but this was closed in 1975 and the rails removed. It had been there well over a hundred years!
 
I hope I have not bored you with this bit of local history, all triggered by a letter nanny wrote all those years ago!

Mike King, Lowestoft, Suffolk.